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Postby bref65000 » Mon 4. Nov 2013, 19:37

Hi all of the community,
To introduce myself, I'm working on a student project about the subject : racing simulator.
The project is already begon since several month, mainly the hardware part.

I put up some pictures for you to do an idea of the system.

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The system is based of 3 motors DC or AC ( or maybe wipper motor ) to convert on a motion with 3 DOF.
I take care about the software. And I found X-Sim software to realize this project.

My questions:

> Motion (yaw, roll, pitch) is composed of one axis with 2 value? Or two axis with 1 value in the math section?
> Is there someone on this forum to make this type of system ?
> Is there a plugin that will allow it to control the 3 motors ?
> Should I type all math functions manually ?
> What does the world " pot " and " washout " mean precisely? I'm a french student !

Thank you for your attention, and sorry for any spelling mistakes.
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Re: Need advice for student project

Postby sirnoname » Mon 4. Nov 2013, 20:52

Hi,

Is there a plugin that will allow it to control the 3 motors ?

You can setup as much axis as you like and mix the different game values to the axis as you like.

Should I type all math functions manually ?

Type?

Is there someone on this forum to make this type of system ?

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> What does the world " pot " and " washout " mean precisely? I'm a french student !

Potentiometer = pot, washout = simulator goes slowly back to neutral position. Used in big flight simulators.
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Re: Need advice for student project

Postby telfel » Mon 4. Nov 2013, 23:04

Hi

Cant understand you sketch, have a look in the projects forums for 3 dof or 2 dof with traction loss.

The most popular layout for race sims is Simforce GT setup, using two motors at the rear with push rods attached at shoulder height on the rear of the seat. and a universal joint under the seat.

The two motors working together for pitch, then in opposite directions for roll.

That platform can then be mounted on top of a base with a pivot under you feet and a motor at the rear to give yaw (traction loss)

The motors has a pot mechanically connected to the output shaft of the motor to give position feedback. (a big RC servo)

For motor choice Wipers tend to be weak and the gearbox nylon teeth strip, you also need to open the motors up to isolated the ground connection.
AC motor control systems are expensive and mains voltages are dangerous if you get it wrong.

The most popular are worm gearbox 12 or 24 volt motors

For the control board it depends how much work you want to do 12v JRK or 24v Kangaroo Sabertooth. both off the shelf with plugins to x-sim

Arduino with Sirs firmware, with suitable H bridge motor drivers.

Look on the project gallery for ideas and sims that work.

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Re: Need advice for student project

Postby bref65000 » Tue 5. Nov 2013, 01:49

sirnoname wrote:Should I type all math functions manually ?

Type?


When I say "type", it's about the previous question I wrote. In fact, I thought it's neccesarry to put a PID regulator. The PID regulator allow to achieves the two position of the gearbox motor. And my question is how do you keep constant output speed with handle system and without cervo motor ?

telfel wrote:Cant understand you sketch

Sorry, this pictures is not really clear.

telfel wrote:The most popular layout for race sims is Simforce GT setup, using two motors at the rear with push rods attached at shoulder height on the rear of the seat. and a universal joint under the seat.

The two motors working together for pitch, then in opposite directions for roll.

That platform can then be mounted on top of a base with a pivot under you feet and a motor at the rear to give yaw (traction loss)

The motors has a pot mechanically connected to the output shaft of the motor to give position feedback. (a big RC servo)


We have not choice this type of solution.

telfel wrote:For motor choice Wipers tend to be weak and the gearbox nylon teeth strip, you also need to open the motors up to isolated the ground connection.
AC motor control systems are expensive and mains voltages are dangerous if you get it wrong.

The most popular are worm gearbox 12 or 24 volt motors

For the control board it depends how much work you want to do 12v JRK or 24v Kangaroo Sabertooth. both off the shelf with plugins to x-sim

Arduino with Sirs firmware, with suitable H bridge motor drivers.


I aggree with you with the wiper motor. It' isn't a brainy solution because the powerfull is weak. We have the possibility of making an engine with other materials, but the cost will increase. We have a tight budget.

I didn't know the 2 type of motors, and it's quite cheap and it's easy to calibrate and configurate with the USB port.
We choice a motor DC, like Futursims. This tutorial is very great and full. Thank

For each solution with motor, we have to put H bridge motor drivers?

Thank you for your answers,
I will ask you another questions throughout the project.
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